it was a week ago she was grilled at a house hearing prior to kathleen sebelius, who is the health and human services secretary. joining me live is republican congressman robert pitten jer. he's been calling it a national disaster of the also joining us, tom scully who served as cms administrator under president george w. bush. he's a republican working who's been promoting the health care law, and seies it as a potentia gold mine that could make some people very rich. congressman, you were not in favor of the government shutdown over the aca or defunding the law. why do you see the health care now as such a disaster or what do you see that can be done to enhance it to make it work properly? >> well, thanks, thomas. yes, i had voted 15 times to defund or replace, reform the health care law. however, i just felt the strategy that was being advocated to shut down the government was not going to be fruitful. as it turned out, as i anticipated, it only had 14 votes in the senate to go along with that strategy that would require a shutdown of the government. that didn't seem to be very poli